I felt like ICOs were long gone by then. But even the era you're talking about was 2019. Had you not felt like that had been cleared out yet? By 2019, the Zcon you talk about, that's 2019. May or so, May, June. So yeah, 2019 was like the depths of the bear market. I didn't like that. And in retrospect, I think that we were missing... The community was still there, but we were missing a substrate. That's DeFi, when it happens, then it went crazy. Like we like a lot of innovation, it was so great.

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