How Do You Go From the White House to Being Like, Not Talk to People With Some Microphones?

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Mia Farrow is a cognitive scientist and former White House staffer. She's now co-host of the podcast, "This Is Life with Mia Farrow," which airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET on CNN. The show follows her as she navigates life after losing her baby girl to an in vitro fertilization procedure.

Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist and the host of A Slight Change of Plans.

”I am a type A person through and through. I love having the five-year plan and the ten-year plan, and mapping it all out. By nature, that's what I'm like. And I think the series of pivots that my life has naturally taken, or I've had to take, has kind of soured me on that whole way of thinking. […] Maybe it's also that I'm a more grateful person than I used to be. Like, I feel more gratitude, and so part of my orientation now is, well, how lucky am I that I even stumbled upon something?”

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