The Rise and Fall of the Interlocking Boards

The Aspen Institute has become like this nexus point. They facilitate everything with all these interlocking boards and things you were talking about last, or two weeks ago. And they do this at the international level mostly within the United Nations. The third lifetime trustee that I looked at was Henry Kissinger. So if you look at who the lifetime trustees are, they have a, they're different people with different backgrounds,. et cetera, but what they're ... shaping international policy.