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The Realignment
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Biden: Is He a Pragmatist?
i'm curious how you see politicians adjusting their styles and performance to these insights that you're cataloguing in the book. You know, i think you hit on an important point too about f d r that is sometimes lost, which is he actually was sort of a pragmatist. I would say those two things are also not a big win for you in politics right now. But every once in a while, you do come upon people who have that combination. And it also helps, i would say, not to be duplicitous and nakedly self enriching.
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