I do think that also longevity is a frontier that might change things dramatically if that happens. And of course, people working on this, as you know, and some people think that aging is the disease that can be cured. But we'd have to be very worried about what would happen if changes of that kind were possible. We feel that we've got to look after refugees or some people in Amazonian tribes whose habit has been destroyed. If these people voluntarily as refugees from the past impose a burden on you, maybe they can put you in a zoo or something like that. It's not clear that it's an ethical thing to do.

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