I think paradoxically getting good at avoiding can help you be really good at approaching and pursuing. In the sense of creating a safety frame inside of which you can really do things. And then paradoxically knowing how not to get captured by craving, broadly stated, problematic wanting makes more room for a person to really enjoy liking. We have a, again, American culture is so seemingly sensual. It's like cardboard food sprayed with some kind of tasty glitter a lot as a kind of cultural frame.

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