A Very Interesting Conversation, Freddy De Bower

Freddy, this is one of my favorite conversations we've had with anyone. I would have liked to dig even deeper with him into the mental health stuff. It's very rare you find somebody who has in issue like that and is phenomenally self aware about it. Usually people who have issues like that are in colossal denial. Thatt what he said. Spent decades in denial, right? Though he's been, he's been in denial, you know, he's, mean, what that looks like, too. Fascinating conversation over all, because it it also connected, at the end, with his struggles with mental health in forming his politics. How many of these things are