Western engagement with Islamists: strategic failures

Andrew Gold sits down with Charles Asher Small, one of the world’s leading experts on extremism, to unpack a warning 50 years in the making. According to Small, the ideological project launched by the Muslim Brotherhood nearly a century ago is now at its midpoint—and the next 50 years could determine the fate of Western democracy itself.

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Small explains how a long-term, methodical strategy has allowed Islamist movements to gain influence across institutions, academia, media, and political elites—often aided, knowingly or not, by Western leaders who have “sold out our basic values and institutions for two pieces of silver.”

From Qatar’s massive influence campaigns in British and American universities, to allegations of funding reaching all the way to major media personalities, Small reveals a troubling network of soft-power operations shaping public opinion and political discourse. He outlines the ideological alliance he calls the “Red-Green” coalition—a convergence between radical left movements seeking to dismantle Western power structures and Islamist groups pursuing their own anti-democratic aims.

We examine:

- How countries like Jordan and the UAE have banned the Muslim Brotherhood

- Whether the West is “sleeping through a revolution”

- The UK’s staggering 40,000 individuals on its jihadist watchlist

- The moral crisis facing Western leadership

- The real-world implications for women’s rights, LGBTQ+ rights, religious minorities, and democratic freedoms

- And the urgent question many are afraid to ask: Is a certain strain of political Islam fundamentally incompatible with Western liberal values?

Despite the stark warnings, Small is clear: the vast majority of Muslims are decent, peaceful people who simply want to live normal lives. The danger, he argues, lies in extremist ideologies—not ordinary believers.

This is a gripping, high-stakes conversation about geopolitics, ideology, security, and the future of the free world. As Small puts it:

“We are sleeping through the revolution. It is time for us to wake up.”

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Chapters:

0:00 Charles Asher Small Highlights

1:10 How the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating the West

7:54 Are some religions more violent than others?

19:02 Should refugees be tested on their views?

19:55 What we can learn from the UAE to keep Islamic extremism under control

25:20 How the UK is being taken through democratic means

28:42 Can we distinguish between extreme Islamism and Islam

39:20 Is the radical right being funded by Qatar?

46:30 What the West needs to do to fight back

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