We end up with these metaphors trying to the frame what's going on well i think your previous discussions of consciousness explain the hard problem of course and then we reach for metaphors to cut. It's like this is like that maybe it's just a really really weird thing and it's not like anything elseYeah i mean the same but same goes for physics obviously because they you know all learned that uh... the atom was the set of billiard balls and that the electron is like a little satellite going around, he says.

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