Louise, was that compelling to you when Kagan was asking that idea? Well, it is compelling, but I just want to step back for a second again. In Masterpiece Cake Shop, Jack Phillips objected to providing a cake to David Mullins and Charlie Craig because he didn't want to send a message that he supports marriage between same-sex couples in Texas. There's a case of businesses arguing that they shouldn't have to cover prep medicine to prevent HIV infections because they cover that. They would be sending a message and encouraging certain kinds of behaviors that they object to. Lots of conduct is expressive. And what we've said in our civil rights laws, and what we're saying here
It’s been a bad week for Donald Trump. Herschel Walker lost the Georgia Senate runoff and a New York jury found the Trump Organization guilty of criminal tax fraud. But the former President (and current presidential candidate) still has something to look forward to: a busy conservative Supreme Court which has three Trump-appointed justices. Today, Kara and Nayeema discuss two of the cases the court heard this week. One focuses on a North Carolina election law case that could upend democratic protections in states like Florida, Arizona and Michigan. The other is about free speech and gay marriage and is close to Kara’s heart.
In the interview, Kara speaks to a panel of experts about this very case: 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, a free speech case brought by a web designer who doesn’t want to be penalized for not providing wedding websites for same-sex couples. She explores the impact this case could have with Louise Melling, Deputy Legal Director at the ACLU and Director of its Ruth Bader Ginsburg Center for Liberty; Dale Carpenter, the Judge William Hawley Atwell Chair of Constitutional Law, and Professor of Law at Southern Methodist University; and Sasha Issenberg, Washington correspondent for The Monocle and author of “The Engagement," about the battle for same sex marriage in America.
Stay tuned until the very end when Kara rants about how a onesie became a symbol of something far more important.
You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema.
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