It is an honor to have a bona fide hacker on the podcast. I managed to hack my way into one of the big four banks, and I stole 40,000 credit cards. It wasn't the only hacks that we did, but it was the only one I was arrested for. And now I get to travel Australia in the world, trying to get people to understand how valuable they are to a hacker. So once you realize how valuable you are, then you start to hold on to your bag of gold to say and look after yourself and the people around you.

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