Is There a Better Alternative to Diversity and Inclusion?

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Cloy valbrey is the co-founder of fury of enchantment, an organization that tries to make people whole. Valbrey says diversity and inclusion training can cause discord in the workplace. The group aims to help people connect with each other at a deeper level.

Chloé Valdary is a writer and entrepreneur whose company, Theory of Enchantment, aims to offer a “human approach” to diversity and inclusion training.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Chloé Valdary discuss the flaws of the dominant paradigm in diversity, equity, and inclusion; why many of today’s interpersonal conflicts stem from a larger crisis of meaning; and how to engage in big debates about social issues without becoming a combatant in the culture war.

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