He was self producing his own talk show, and it was making money. Wont mostly because it was like, oh, you can do your own thing on line and it can be successful at was all. And that is what was really sort of notable about him at that time,. But so he was more likehe was still a rock star, but he wasn't a main stream, a celebrity at that point. He wasnt andre the giant obasd ye, in human form, in tall, canadian bearded human formye.