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i think immersion is key there, i'm a huge podcast fan. It doesn't take too much time when you have to to watch a series or then you always have to focus on that and have your smart phone next to you. Or, yes, it's just a different way of learning. So ere just listening is is great. And sometimes that's all you need to do, as long as it's a sort of long, long term and stuff like that. E, how did my podcast help? Did you do anything else other than just listen to it? I tried shadowing a bit, but for the most part, i i just listened a because, ye, that

714. Robin from Hamburg 🇩🇪 (WISBOLEP Runner-Up)

Talking to another runner-up from last year's listener competition. Robin from Hamburg had a big setback in his learning of English, but worked hard to overcome it. We talk about his English learning trajectory, and ramble about German language & culture, his podcast for learners of German, podcasting microphones and then Robin teaches me some German words which are difficult to pronounce.

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