The more successful NATO and the Ukrainians are at defeating Russia inside of Ukraine, the more likely it is that they will use nuclear weapons. "You do not want to underestimate what great powers will do when they're desperate," he says. The U.S. should go to great lengths to immediately shut down the conflict with a nuke strike, Obama adds.
Freddie Sayers meets political scientist John Mearsheimer, the world-famous proponent of realism in international relations.
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