My guest is Dr. Karolina Westlund, Ph.D., a professor of ethology at the University of Stockholm and an expert in animal emotions and behavior who uses science-based methods to improve the lives of animals in human care. We discuss the often overlooked needs of domesticated animals—primarily dogs and cats—and the things we can do to improve their well-being and our relationship with them.
We cover how to interpret animal body language, the unique needs of specific dog breeds, and the needs of cats and birds. We also discuss the pros and cons of spaying and neutering and how weaning age impacts a pet’s attachment style. Whether you’re a pet owner, trainer, or simply an animal lover, this episode teaches you how specific pet behaviors are rooted in their immutable biology—and the simple things you can do to vastly improve your pets’ health and well-being, as well as your relationship with them.
Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Karolina Westlund
00:02:19 Students & Animal Species; Horses
00:06:36 Dog Breeds & Interaction, Predatory Sequence, Smell, Domestication
00:12:42 Sponsors: Our Place & Eight Sleep
00:16:09 Dog Breeds & Domestication, Bulldogs
00:20:16 Core Affect Space, Petting, Tool: Consent Test; Polyvagal Theory
00:27:53 Space, Dominance, Resources, Leash Walking; Dog-Owner Training
00:37:13 Tail Wagging & Interpreting Body Signals, Facial Expressions
00:43:24 Play Bow, Tool: MARS & Playing; Dogs & Empathy
00:48:39 Sponsors: AG1 & Joovv
00:51:46 Fairness, Social Groups; Anthropomorphism vs Anthropodenial
00:57:45 Cats, Hunting, Bring Gifts?, Interaction & Socialization
01:03:56 Scent & Territorial Marking; Covering Waste, Tool: Litter Box Placement
01:08:17 “Pee Mail” & Communication; Wolves, Domestication
01:11:54 Zoos, Conservation; Tigers
01:18:53 Sponsor: Function
01:20:41 Stalking; Birds, Parrots
01:25:22 Nose Work, Wildlife Chasing, Tool: Dog Feeding & Challenge
01:31:01 Understanding & Choosing Dog for Your Lifestyle, Tool: Introducing Cats
01:34:27 Recognizing Self vs Other, Inbreeding Avoidance, Imprinting
01:40:51 Imprinting vs Attachment Bonds; Dogs, Weaning & Secure Attachment
01:48:36 Spaying & Neutering, Hormones, Tool: Neutering Alternatives
01:57:07 Humans as Animals, Tools, Cultural Learning
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