I love that you're using the words, effortful and effortless. I'm almost thinking of it as active versus passive. And so this role is about just pushing yourself over that tiny little bit of extra effort that it requires to start the effortful fun. Because yeah, once you're doing it, like it is fun. Like these things aren't not fun. The reason people want to do them is that they are fun. And so the inherent pleasure of these activities tends to kick in. And then many people just keep going. As a listener of this podcast, you'll get $100 off your first month with TalkSpace. To match with a licensed therapist today, go to

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