It will be interesting to see whether the podcast dynamic matches the same as the show dynamic. I remember when we chatted about it last time, everyone was complaining, you know, apple didn't provide date o pogcass. The fact that we're not unspotifi has been a signal for a while that spotifi podcasts are not an open platform. If spotify wanted to just have a directory and allow to subscribe any podcasts, exponent could be unspotified.