francis riama is one of the world's most esteemed political scientists and thinkers. He has a new book, which is just coming out here in england, called liberalism and its discontents. i think that vlademir puten is really at the centre of a kind of global anti liberal a campaign waged by both authoritarian great powers like russian china, but also by a number of populistes that have arisen in o different democratic ries. And i think it also points to this kind of authoritarian tendency among a lot of people on the extreme right, you know, in our democracies.