The idea that this is just the Elie Azers of the world wanting to be loud and be known is so patently ridiculous. It's they're much better arguments to have than that one in my view. And many of these companies actually started because they were worried about safety. They were worried about extinction risk. So I feel like people don't talk about this. There's this like just weird meme of like just way too many people believing this regulatory capture thing.

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