Speaker 1
And the sort of the reasoning behind this was very much that through local government that you'll actually be in a sense, empowering voices from below. And this might actually then give impetus to this democratic democratization. And one other thing that I want to flag is that, whereas Raph Sanjani was very much focused on, you know, the economy, economic reconstruction, building up a bureaucracy not to carry out his, his vision of the, and the, in the direction he sought to take the Iranian economy, the reformers, Mr. More radical wing of the reformers did see this as an opportunity to pursue what they called political development. And basically, it was a euphemism for sort of a control, highly controlled managed form of democratization, where they would still nevertheless have a great degree, a large degree of control in the direction that it took and who could participate in other what circumstances and so on and so forth. But this was not a small, it was actually a huge undertaking, was very much kind of advanced by, you know, committed, I would say, people who were individuals who were very much had a standing within the system and had very much been devotees of our total money. But yeah, had had significantly changed. Many of them are now dissidents for some of them actually in exile. But this project in 1900, I think it was a very, very important one to kind of reconfigure the same naturally summon a lot of those kind of democratic energies which had been kind of quashed for, you know, the preceding, since really 1981, and obviously very much kind of suffocated in the atmosphere of the war and then two terms of Raph Sanjani. And just one just final thing which is important, I do think with the end of the Cold War, obviously which is happening in like 1989, 1990, and Raph almost themselves very much complete this sort of this reformist in the political class, they do completely in a sense, or they kind of renounce any kind of, so a lot of the revolutionary rhetoric and aspirations which they had. And they very much kind of empty out a lot of the commitment actually to sort of radical redistribution, which previously had characterized this harmonious left in the 1980s. And increasingly, I mean, under the influence of what was known as kind of the the Keon Circle, this sort of trend of religious intellectuals within Iran, who were very much like ardent readers of Karl Popper and Frig Heiag and Raymond Aron and Isaiah Berlin, and really had imbiged a kind of a certain kind of a brand of Cold War liberalism in this period, actually became profoundly anti, profoundly anti left and anti socialist and anti government often, and actually really did sort of buy into sort of the rhetoric and sort of the imaginary of this, there is no alternative. It
Speaker 2
was the end of history. Yeah,
Speaker 1
the end of history. And so this is why actually many of them become very staunch, and they're not all I don't want to generalize, but you know, many of them became very strong advocates of kind of some kind of detente with the United States. So actually, I mean, Abosse Abdi, who was one of the hostage takers, radical some students and hostage takers in 1979, he famously did a poll in this period where he kind of polled like what proportion of Iranians wanted to reestablish relations with the United States or have negotiations and detente with the United States, and actually showed that a majority of Iranians did want this, and this an anti basically a prison term. But the irony is, I mean, this was somebody who was literally involved in the takeover of the US embassy was now very much had a very different kind of politics, who was very much you could say increasingly move into the right in terms of economic policy, as well as actually some kind of reconciliation with the United States. So we do really just see this deep seated kind of change in the political imaginary of these homelists leftists, which I think is the, you know, it's important to kind of understand. And also it's also important to understand for the kind of the limit, what were the limits of the reformist project and ultimately why it became