i would rather people try and fail than just be like, like, weird, reclusive, like tejust the stereo, typical, cliche, san francisco, palo alto guy like that. I think most people have to come from a perspective like, hay, we don't know anything, often. And so it's good to see people actually learning and trying. It was one of the things whon i when we started doing this podcast, so many people were like, mad.

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