Nathan: I've spent many years having conversations with people in the field many of whom sort of don't really want to hear that their work by default is like barreling towards destruction. So crypto people would actually pretty much really resonate with that we're like we have to explain you know Bitcoin 21 million hard cap, proof of work and then lately moving into 2022 and 2023 fewer of those things are being explained. It's been it's been nice to see people starting to notice that this is a real thing it's really on the horizon says Nathan. Nate: How optimistic am I? Well my understanding of the problem is more than 50%. Paul Christiano gave us 10-20

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