I think we're talking about debt, both personal debt and public debt in smarter ways. We still need to fight over what that national debt, what those taxes are for and who benefits, right? They're for yeah. I mean, this is where FDR, you know, didn't ever heard of Herman husband, right? And you know, other other, a whole, a lot of 20th century. It's very complicated to get into how the Jefferson-Madison world kind of functions in relation to this too. So if we need models from the past, which I'm not totally sold on the idea that we do, but if we do, there's the fight over whether it
Astra Taylor interviews William Hogeland on his book Founding Finance: How Debt, Speculation, Foreclosures, Protests, and Crackdowns Made Us a Nation. Hogeland recovers a fascinating crop of mostly-forgotten rebels, the movements they led, and their radical demands that put the landlords and lenders of their day on edge. He also recounts the complex and sometimes deadly machinations that went into suppressing them in order to create a nation that was safe for the owning and investing classes.
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