I feel like the amount of Java out there just running industrial systems has got to be enormous. But that's also the cutting edge, right? Those are the people that are just like excitedly writing code. Unfortunately, even though some of the most important systems in the world still run on those -- Cobalt and whatnot. That'd be a cool series of interviews. Get the stuff that's like tech that was invented 40, 50 years ago, but still is being used widely. We can talk about that.

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