What I'm Trying to Say About Revolutionary Change

I'm trying to, as you say, and I'm actually basically this is something that I've I'm having changing my my thought process in general. And I really need to take this kind of historical long arc perspective seriously. What that brings to the current moment is that if you look at a lot of historical how do I put the soft revolutionary politics kind of like FDR or Bismarck? You can't really pretend that you can’t really pretend that revolutionary change is incremental change and vice vice versa.