In this episode, host Sebastian Couture is joined by Ismael Hishon-Rezaizadeh, CEO of Lagrange, to explore the intersection of frontier cryptography and national security. Ismael discusses the transition of zero-knowledge (ZK) technology from a "token-centric" crypto tool to a vital component of defense, specifically focusing on its role in securing autonomous drone swarms and closing the hypersonic missile gap.
They delve into Deep Proof, Lagrange's ZK-machine learning library, which facilitates verifiable AI execution while protecting sensitive model intellectual property and private input data. Ismael introduces the concept of "Accountable Autonomy," arguing that cryptographic proofs are necessary to ensure that lethal "kill chain" decisions are made by the correct models under verified inputs, removing the risks inherent in "black box" AI decision-making. Finally, the conversation touches on the geopolitical competition with China, the importance of domestic chip manufacturing, and why the US market's ability to align private sector innovation with military needs is a decisive strategic advantage.
Topics
- 00:00 Intro & Context
- 04:15 ZKML vs. Venice
- 09:30 Protecting Model IP
- 15:00 Dual-Use Defense Pivot
- 21:45 The Palantir Comparison
- 27:10 US-China Chip Race
- 35:20 Drone Swarm Consensus
- 42:15 Accountable Autonomy Explained
- 49:00 Kill Chain Verifiability
- 55:30 EU vs. US Defense
Links
- Ismael on X: https://x.com/Ismael_H_R
- Lagrange Labs: https://www.lagrange.dev/
- Anduril Industries: https://www.anduril.com/
- Gnosis: https://gnosis.io/
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