I think a lot of people have been struggling with that, particularly over the last three years as the intensity of the environment has seemed to be sort of unending. So I feel like for each of us, we have to then draw those lines ourselves somehow to do it. You might say, God, I love how hard they all, everyone works, you know. It's because it's easy. But there is as a leader, the things you could do to not like send the wrong signal you're really not trying to send.

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