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The Weirdness of Counterculture
"There is a weirdness going on there where it's becoming Hollywood and that's what they were fighting, right? Like every counterculture is cool until they're not counter anymore," he says. "Then it becomes lame because then every fucking nerd in the world likes the same thing you like." He adds: "If you're already established and you don't need like the push from Joe, maybe that doesn't seem like the best place to go"