How to Have Difficult Conversations With People Who See the World Differently

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This is the third episode in a three-part series about how to have difficult conversations with people who see the world differently. In this episode, we sit down when Anand Girdardis, the author of The Persuaders, discusses his thesis. He considers his book an intervention for people on the left who have bought into what he considers a lie. We discuss meaning-making, the dark arts of rhetoric, the ethical issues associated with reaching out to people who may hate you or hate someone you love.

This is the third episode in a three-part series about how to have difficult conversations with people who see the world differently, how to have better debates about contentious issues, and how to ethically and scientifically persuade one another about things that matter – in short, this is a three-part series about How Minds Change (which is also the title of my new book).

There seems to be a movement afoot, a new wave of nonfiction about how to reduce all this argumentative madness and epistemic chaos. I want to boost everyone’s signal on this issue, so I thought it would be nice to collaborate instead of compete, since that’s part of what we are all proselytizing with these books.

So this episode’s guest is Anand Giridharadas, the author of The Persuaders – a book about activists, politicians, educators, and everyday citizens who are on the ground working to change minds, bridge divisions, and fight for democracy.

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