Joe doesn't, first of all, i said this before when we were talking about the end of the world podcast. Joe doesn't listen to anything dug says, no, totally. The one thing though, you'll never get with dug is him like making a joke. Everything he says is just funny, cause he's such a funny guy. And i feel like in this episode, the the hens have come to roost with dug stanhope, like he wants to be more successful than he is where he's always lik, i don't care. I'm just om the gold standard of credibility and comedy. Now he's like, i've got a market myself.