Armando and James discuss the idea that a love of classical music is something to be fervently apologised for. The entirely undeserved reputation it has got makes saying you listen to it and enjoy it almost like a confession. Armando says he occasionally visits in disguise on his lunchtime, but why do we need to be in disguise about it? Why the apology? Well I mean for me it's a sense of,. there's a ritual about it, isn't there a Grincha classical concert that you break down?"

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