You said we know how to make a black hole from a single star, and it'uld be a few times the mass of the sun. And you said that that could grow by either creating random matter in the universe, or coalescing with other black holes. So which is it? Or is it both? Or have you had to go from five to a million? It is both, it's both. You can now, they will grow, as long as they are very gluttonous for periods of time - so that they're really superactively feeding. Then you can start something that's a few times mass of the Sun to the guy that's sitting in the centre of our

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