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341. Secret Scientists & Real Conspiracies — John Lisle on Stanley Lovell, the OSS precursor to the CIA, and the Masterminds of World War II Secret Warfare

The Michael Shermer Show

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The Importance of External Oversight in Intelligence

I'm kind of conflicted about how to think about people like Edward Snowden and the WikiLeaks. I believe in transparency for a democracy to function, but we don't live in a world where everybody has transparent democracies. So it's good to have people like the CIA operating out there to find out what's going on. The problem with some of these intelligence communities is that they didn't really hold people accountable.

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