I think a lot of it is down to looking very, very carefully at the sources and not being blinded by the condary literature or subsequent historical revisionisms. 500 years have passed. What we really need to do is be very purest and then see what the people who were most proximate to the sultan were saying at the time. I find thas i find the discussion really interesting, because if there's a common m tread between gideon's argument and christopher's argument, it is the breakdown of the social contract. And democracy and liberalism and structure of our society has depended for a long, long time abouttethe cohesion of the socialContract.

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