I think it's really difficult to imagine how 8 billion of us in all these nations could cooperate together towards some more desirable than the default future. It is just simply not the case that collective threat all by itself results in any kind of sustaining cooperation. The profiteering begins immediately. And multi-level selection actually enables you to predict that. So the alien scenario, forget about that. Just return to the first one. I will agree with you that we need to talk more because we are pushing an hour and a half now. But there's been a sentence floated around. I forgot who said it, that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the

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