Navigating U.S. Interests in the Syrian Conflict

The Hayat Tahrir al-Sham rebels have gained ground in Syria, but they aren't the nice, unproblematic, good-for the environment, nice-to-old-people rebels of our dreams. What now? Plus, part two of our interview with Ben Rhodes, former Obama Administration speechwriter and current co-host of Pod Save The World. And how coverage of the many vulnerabilities of Pete Hegseth suggests that the media might just have a few moves left.

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