There's an empirical claim that could be tested well i mean it's hard. There's a kind of sort of core set of examples which people will tend to find plausible and then it's just how far can you expand that rather than whether or not there are any people don't usually expand it all the way to like the fundamental forces of the physical or the cosmos or something like that. Usually if you look out this is the thing for all of the kind of cultural controversy around it often not always but often if you look at the kind of claims standpoint of his mind which is interested in it's usually sort of independently plausible.

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