Conservation is an intrinsically kind of parasitic idea, or you're conserving the fruits of the previous revolution. There isn't something prior and deeper that's being conserved that comes before the Enlightenment,. And now I think that's true, and a lot of conservatives see themselves as basically conserving liberalism from a couple of centuries ago. So, yeah, I mean, this back and forth is helpful, but I think what we're seeing now is the emergence of something very, very different.

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