We Had the Gino Vaccines the Whole Time

David Wallace-Wells, author of the best-selling book The Uninhabitable Earth and New York magazine’s editor-at-large, wields vivid language that makes people pay attention. But his writing isn’t hyperbole. Wallace-Wells’s clear-eyed, cinematic storytelling provides coherence and context around some of today’s most complex issues, from California wildfires to Covid-19. His writing demonstrates his special knack for synthesizing information and rare ability to draw conclusions in ways that offer viscerally felt, nuanced insights.

A large part of Wallace-Wells’s appeal stems from how he straddles two dimensions at once. He unpacks pressing topics by offering of-the-moment analysis while also considering the long-term consequences of such data. Late last year, for example, he wrote frequently about the Omicron variant’s impact—but also compared it to other pandemic data, and detailed unsettling projections about the variant’s protracted effects. In 2019, his New York piece on the wildfires in California traced their devastating toll; he also contextualized it, within the climate crisis, as a once-manageable occurrence that has evolved into a continual threat.

On this episode, Wallace-Wells talks with Andrew about society’s troubling capacity for normalization, drama as a means to stir people to climate action, and why—despite all of the above—he’s feeling optimistic for the future.

Special thanks to our Season 5 sponsor, L’ÉCOLE, School of Jewelry Arts.

Show notes:

• Full transcript
• @dwallacewells
• [12:35] The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming 
• [31:30] “We Had the Vaccine the Whole Time”
• [34:41] “Can Anything Stop the Omicron Wave?”
• [40:32] “Ten Million a Year”