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When i'm moderating podcasting is about going deep so it is really an art like you want to stop somebody when they're going down this like crazy rabbit hole. It's been a different muscle for me to flex and uh it's been great fun for me the other thing like i don't know if you think about it on this axis at all but like i kind of think of there's two categories of podcasts there's candy and there's vegetables i listen to the audio version of stratecary and that's my vegetables and it's not like deeply it's enjoyable intellectually but it'snot like fun.