The Obers group and others have done studies where they take women who have cortisol peaks 24 hours salivary cortisol is there all over the place. So using a grounding mat I think for four weeks in the study allowed those circadian rhythms to synchronize which is really interesting how does it work? "I'm trying not to podcast being blasted by blue light in the evenings especially as the sun is setting," he says. 'For me sleep is business everything that's good right now is creative'

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