There's always been and obviously very much this day an enormous amount of enmity between Ukraine and Russia. This is centuries in the making, if not more. And one of the people who grew up in these starvation times was a young Mikhail Gorbachev. He had like a quarter or a third of his village starved to death during one of these periodic famines. They took a huge percentage of the population, the Koolocks, and they just deported them.