I think with a lot of parents I would probably want to give a caveat of kind of what that looks like you know it might look like we're not doing therapy. It might sound like we're just like making like weird books together or like playing together or why are we talking about the aviation pattern of birds for like the past like six weeks and so like really trying to get the like the parents also to understand that it might not look therapeutic from the outside because we're focusing on what you're bringing up which is like the relationship building and letting him lead  which can be a slow going process.