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S3, Ep4 How to Fail: Deborah Frances-White

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

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The Benefits of Not Having Children

"I don't know if I had two small children. Some people do that they'll invite a refugee in and they'll live as a family," she says. "It's different proposition if you've got minors in the house." Do you think women of our age need to be more open about the benefits of not having children? 'They've been treated like cattle. They've been made to feel unimportant for a long time'

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