Developer Satisfaction Is Still an Important Piece of the Puzzle

I feel like developer satisfaction is still an important piece. I think the companies are recognizing that there are some tools that do ultimately benefit and there's some things that they can say, we're not going to invest in that area right now. And it's not a surprise to anybody that the economic time means that we maybe can't go to 65 events next year. But at the end of the day, we still have to go and do a job and help grow the company.