Is There an Alternative Paradime for Chronic Fatigue?

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Cron: You can only displace those wrong views if you have an alternative theory. Anden the second point, exactly as to sayme is that it is rarely the people who believed in this thing for 30 years who changed for mind and id of new evidence. It is new generations of scientists, or in this case, doctors, or whoever, who should have come up. That starts to change how tey think about things.

Ross Douthat, a columnist for The New York Times, has long advocated for a brand of reform conservatism that stands in stark contrast to Trumpism. His latest book, The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery, chronicles his long struggle with Lyme disease.

In this week’s conversation, Ross Douthat and Yascha Mounk discuss why the expert consensus sometimes fails, when to listen to outsiders, and whether the failures of the establishment help to explain the rise of populism.

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