Liz: Some of this stuff always reminds me a little bit of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which if people aren't familiar, these are two researchers who, boy, maybe Liz, you could maybe do it better than me. So they got to see that in a real authentic in the moment experience where you go. And then what is it like to not know, be embarrassed or be curious and then go on that journey together? LZ: Oh, that would have fun one.