When i was a bishop, there was a some council. We got to push more to the ward council. Well, ido't want to talk to those corn present, it wan'to talk to the bishop. And we're trying to help the bishops be able to do all they need to do and take care of their families. This is not good for this people. If everything has to run through you, we're never going to get anything done. I remember when i was in ironic priesthood, somebody did a lesson on this,. They passed out an organizational chart, and it had moses at the top. It said, under this, and it took moses forty years

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