I wanted to, all of it was constantly as well. I don't think we can have the conversation around masculinity or around masculinities without the acknowledgement that is different for different people. And when I did my training, like that for me was the first time that I'd ever had those conversations around power and privilege. Those are conversations that we're having in workplace environments and in universities around who in our society gets what and why. So centering those other things in the conversation, I think is important.

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